See Real PS3 Graphics, Not Some Tech Demo Shit

[Sheeyt]

These images according to IGN are ingame GT5.
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/614/614786/vision-gran-turismo-20050516072907456.jpg
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/614/614786/vision-gran-turismo-20050516072904597.jpg
http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/614/614786/vision-gran-turismo-20050516072849598.jpg

Call me biased but I'm not impressed at all. Forza on this generation looks better then those.. Not to mention JAGGIES!

[No Fear 23]

ps3 is gonna own xbox with sexy red x's

[Sheeyt]

m3h they show up on mine.

[GuiltySpark]

I've got nothing, but if these are the images of Vision GT, I am not impressed....

[Casper]

Pics work for me - don't know what's up with you guys. It's from IGN.

[Sheeyt]

Casper sees em to =P you guys suck!

[MrAustin]

X's for me, because my company doesn't allow IGN through their firewall. Don't know about the others here.

[SoulAssassin]

I'm seeing hardcore nothings as well.

[Whisper]

i went to IGNs site to see them.. blowing the 360 shots out of the water.. its embarassing.

[SoulAssassin]

i went to IGNs site to see them.. blowing the 360 shots out of the water.. its embarassing.


Wh... what?!?! Really?

NOOOOOO

[Casper]

Pics have been removed by IGN now for some reason.

[Whisper]

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/614/614722/killzone-next-gen-20050516075937991.jpg

[MapleHamwich]

While not truly impressive as some games for the 360 we've seen, it isn't bad. But it is comparable to Forza and that is a step up for the Sony camp.

As for the Killzone stuff, it's highly impressive but I am hesitant to believe it's actually realtime. I think alot of the PS3 stuff out here right now is just CG videos of what they say the games will be like. If that isn't the case, and it is all real time, it's damn cool.

I have hopes, I hope they aren't dashed.

[GuiltySpark]

It's unfortunate, but we will just have to accept that the PS3 will be WAY more powerful than the 360. It happens. They both look like very solid systems.

Except that the PS3 looks like a door stop and it's controller like a banana....

[TOTTEN]

It's unfortunate, but we will just have to accept that the PS3 will be WAY more powerful than the 360. It happens. They both look like very solid systems.

Except that the PS3 looks like a door stop and it's controller like a banana....
Not a doorstop it just looks pregnant.

[No Fear 23]

still cant see the screens.... is it really better lookin than 360?

[MapleHamwich]

Dear god... It's NOT way more powerful than the XBox 360. It has rivalling specs yes, but they aren't directly comparable. Yes, you can compare the tera flops, but again, it isn't a clear sign of which is better. That is a theoretical number that is believed to be the maximum capacity.

Just wait and see, it will be close, very close.

[Whoopage]

http://ps3media.ign.com/ps3/image/article/614/614722/killzone-next-gen-20050516075937991.jpg

Are you sure KillZone2 was in game? I read that it was pre-rendered...

[MrAustin]

There was one thing that happened in the Killzone footage that makes me think it is in-game, and that is the character reloading his weapon while 3 feet from a firing enemy ... don't know about you, but I've never seen that kind of behavior in a pre-rendered trailor (but see it many times before I get killed in Halo 2). I think there were aspects that were pre-rendered, but it's my belief that as you play that particular level, those pre-rendered scenes seamlessly enter the game to progress the story.

Wow!

[Floodman]

Wow that trailer was amazing. The explosions as well as the guys that were on fire were stunning.

[Whoopage]

From the sound of it, looks like I was wrong and that it is in-game.

From Gamespot:

The models and animations here are so smooth, in fact, that it's tempting to assume that the Killzone 2 footage is prerendered or somehow doctored, but if it is all in-engine, and we have no reason to believe that it's not, then it's going to be hard to imagine a game coming along during E3 that's more visually impressive than this.

It still hasn't been oficially confirmed that it is not prerendered though.

Another thing that makes me think it's all prerendered is the introduction like a movie, and the slo-mo at the end.

[MrAustin]

I agree that the beginning and ending are pre-rendered, but as I said before, I believe they are seamlessly integrated into the gameplay so smoothly, that it is nearly impossible to see where in-game ends and pre-rendered begins. I eagerly await verification, either way.

[Whoopage]

I agree that the beginning and ending are pre-rendered, but as I said before, I believe they are seamlessly integrated into the gameplay so smoothly, that it is nearly impossible to see where in-game ends and pre-rendered begins. I eagerly await verification, either way.

Same here... If it is actual in game footage...

Holy crap-shake.

[Whisper]

that means microsoft is going down.. thats what it means.

holy crap-shake is right

too late to create ps3circle.com?

[Cryogenic Pyro]

that means microsoft is going down.. thats what it means.

holy crap-shake is right

too late to create ps3circle.com?
I'll make it if you pay my bandwidth costs ;).

[LTM360]

Killzone was prerendered, an action game has never had action that fluent and persistant. Not that I'm complaining, but don't put it past Sony to overkill the looks now and shaft you in the end. If they arn't prerendered, sweet. But Gameplay is what matters here, and for those unfortunate enough to play Killzone you know the game sucks.

And I don't see what looked so good about Gran Turismo at all, I don't see any difference between it and 4.

[Sheeyt]

Funny IGN says no way in hell its in-game. IGN said they visit the studio that is making Killzone 2 3-6 months ago and all they had was a basic concept of the game. They said NO WAY IN HELL thye have that much in that short time because when IGN visit they didn't even have PS3 dev kits yet.

Its bullshit hype, just like Sony did with the PS2.

[Narcoleptic Insomniac]

Its IGN. Its not like we can really trust them. That was so fluent its hard to determine exactly where it goes from ingame to cinematics. Maybe it is all prerendered, whose to say. If it isnt well damn we are in for a wild ride when the next-gen systems hit shelves.

[SilentTango]

We're inclined to mistrust Killzone 2's gameplay legitimacy even further because of the way the video plays out. No shooter in existence features characters that do exactly the right thing at exactly the right time all the time.

Thats exactly what I was thinking when I was watching it. Did they(PS3 guys) claim it was in-game?

[No Fear 23]

yea, it cant be in-game bc theres no sort of in-game features like crosshair, hud, life bar, etc. its all programming that tells the AI what to do.

i dunno tho bc i dont kno much about how games are made. but that does not look like an in game footage to me at all.

[MrAustin]

Whether or not there is someone playing what you see is, for the most part, irrelevant. Whether or not the PS3 can generate graphics and effects that you see in real-time is the point, and until I see otherwise, I'll continue to think that is the case here.

Real-time vs. CG Animation is at the heart of the issue, because in theory if the PS3 can issue 'programming' that tells each element in that sequence what to do, then it is possible when I get my hands on that craptastic looking controller, it can do the same.

[MapleHamwich]

According to G4TechTV it was all pre-rendered CG. All of it.

[Whoopage]

According to G4TechTV it was all pre-rendered CG. All of it.

Yeah, that's what I thought. I mean, really when you think about it, the dev kits for PS3 were sent out 2 months ago. There is no way that they could have in-game like that in that amount of time.

[MapleHamwich]

Yeah, and now my hopes for the PS3 have been all but dashed. I have no faith now. Go 360.

[LynxFX]

Yeah, that's what I thought. I mean, really when you think about it, the dev kits for PS3 were sent out 2 months ago. There is no way that they could have in-game like that in that amount of time.
Epic did.

I'm still in the camp that thinks it is PS3 rendered. Sure it is scripted, much like a timedemo but the hardware is still rendering the scene. I'll believe so until an official statement says otherwise. G4TechTV aren't exactly official.

Eh, but I could be wrong. :flipoff: At least from the tech demos, every single thing we saw in that trailer is doable.

[MapleHamwich]

yeah, forgot about Unreal 3 and Fight Night. Those were rendered in real time. But Unreal 3 is also on Xbox 360 and looks the same if I'm not mistaken, Gears of War is amazing anyhow. And Fight Night will be on Xbox 360 as well.

[Cryogenic Pyro]

Epic did.

I'm still in the camp that thinks it is PS3 rendered. Sure it is scripted, much like a timedemo but the hardware is still rendering the scene. I'll believe so until an official statement says otherwise. G4TechTV aren't exactly official.

Eh, but I could be wrong. :flipoff: At least from the tech demos, every single thing we saw in that trailer is doable.
I agree that G4TechTV isn't exactly official. If it was just TechTV, I might believe it, but the G4 screams, "I'm not credible."

If what you're saying is correct, and it is much like a timedemo, then there's even more to rejoice about. I've never seen a game produce a timedemo even close to what actual gameplay speed is. In other words, this could mean that's not even close to the PS3's full potential.

Either way, I'll own both the Xbox 360 and the PS3 eventually.

[LynxFX]

I have no idea if it is a timedemo, was just giving an example. Maybe it was recorded play like Fraps.

Damn you are champ of a lot of games. :hail:

[Sheeyt]

Sony did the exact same thing leading up to the PS2 launch. They showed all these beautiful pre-render cgi techdemo videos at E3 and everyone creamed their pants. Fast forward to release day. A shortage of PS2s, the worst launch lineup for any console ever and graphics that paled in comparison to what they showed.

[Cryogenic Pyro]

I have no idea if it is a timedemo, was just giving an example. Maybe it was recorded play like Fraps.

Damn you are champ of a lot of games. :hail:
You have to admit, it would be cool if it was a timedemo though ;).

Sheeyt, I was never a console junkie at that time, so I can't say I've experienced what Sony did. I have no reason to think that they are bullfecesting me. Though, if they happen to do it again this time, then they of course, have lost all credibility.

And Kraft, thank you :).

[Sheeyt]

Cryo thats why I'm such a Sony hater.

I was all hyped for PS2. I put my money down on preorder. Release day comes... Oh we're sorry we didn't get as many as we tought SOny had a shortage, so we are only giving them to people who paid in full.

Not to mention the launch lineup was absolutely pathetic. So I played my cousins PS2 for awhile realized it wasn't all that great.

Preordered XBox.. Loved it ever since.

[MapleHamwich]

IGN (http://ps3.ign.com/articles/615/615531p1.html) has stated their beliefs behind the videos. They concur with the thought that it was probably all CG (Ofcourse excluding those few games named). I'm now firmly in the belief that PS3 will be a flop. My brother has given me some insight into the hardware of the PS3 console. As some of you may know, he is employed by EA as a graphics programmer, so he knows what he's talking about (haters... he still knows hardware and programming better than you). And his general belief is that the PS3 is going to be good, but it won't be much better if better at all than the X360. He is quite looking forward to the Xbox 360, moreso than the PS3.

[TOTTEN]

Hamwich have him post with your account with a explanation. I dont doubt you but I reallywant to hear why. :)

[MapleHamwich]

We'll see. He really hates forums, so it'll be tough.

[TOTTEN]

We'll see. He really hates forums, so it'll be tough.
It would be much appreciated thanks :hsdance:

[magnus mjolnir]

:huh: http://www.gamespot.com/news/2005/05/25/news_6126523.html

Strange, most everyone even the most skeptical of xbox owner believes the ps3 to be superior power and processor wise. This article was one of many that I found to confirm these allegations. I really think it does not matter, because the difference in power in the last console race made no difference. It is all about the games, I love xbox because of chronicles of rid, breakdown, shin megami nine, otogi, dragoon panzer orta, and better version of splinter cell. And I love ps2 for metal gear solid 3, socom 2, war of the monsters, final fantasy (x, xI, XII), megami tensi nocturne, xenosaga, devil may cry 3, and Tekken 5. So just think if both consoles are going to have super processing power, and near cinematic graphics.....the only thing that separates them is the games. That's why I will probably like last console race pick both of them up, still not convienced about that zip drive they call a revolution!! :rofl:

[MrAustin]

... still not convienced about that zip drive they call a revolution!! :rofl:Jesus Christ ... first Nintendo wasn't sleek and sexy enough, and now that it's slim and has nice blue lights to make techies go "Ooh" its still seen as negative. You fucking people baffle me.

[Variation]

Jesus Christ ... first Nintendo wasn't sleek and sexy enough, and now that it's slim and has nice blue lights to make techies go "Ooh" its still seen as negative. You faping people baffle me.
Don't let em get to you. I don't understand sometimes as well, some people like to just stay fanboys :)

[OneSharpMarble]

That trailer is pre rendered, I don't believe for a second that is what the in game graphics will look like. And as for those screen shots of the racing game, it looks like shit.

[magnus mjolnir]

That trailer is pre rendered, I don't believe for a second that is what the in game graphics will look like. And as for those screen shots of the racing game, it looks like poop.

Did you see the fight night real time demo? Did you see the ut2007 reaL TIME DEMO? These plus I-8 and killing day were all done in real time, and they looked magnificent. Heck the unreal 3.0 engine performed so well that it made e3 2004 showing pale in comparison, and that was running on pc. Every time I think about it there are games that were shown that were equally as good as the killzone footage. I do not get it, is it because the showing was better than microsofts showing? I will not stop saying my favorite game they showed which was in cgi form was gears of war and even though I did not see the real game footage I will still buy that game for 360. Also it is not that I did not appreciate the new look of the revolution, it just does not look that cool. I mean it looks too much like a zip drive than it does a games machine. It is too sterile looking, not enough personality. I know it is a console, but more lines or accents would give it that cool look, maybe they should sell decals or something to give it a different look or something. Also from what I got from the conference they used the Gran turismo 4 graphics engine on the ps3 alpha kit to show you the difference that high end normal maping can do for the environments, lighting, and particle effects. The car models are the same as GT4.